I am starting to think it is the strongest position the axis has ever been. Now if we only knew all the bonuses……

@Richter:

Don’t ask for the cost… :D

Its a collectible minis game after all, but I already have loads of basic infantyr

50+ Mosin Nagants (Russian Soldier)
30+ Arisakas (Japanese Soldiers), MAuser Rifle, SMLE Rifle, M1 Garand Rifle, 20+ Fucile (Italian Soldiers)

Subs are cheap (though no russians so far)

Destroyers are also under a $ per piece

As a minis gamer its affordable to trade away surplus stock for units needed for th game

if you start from Scratch and buy “singles” it will be expensive.

its an option for us who already own many pieces

But for Italians alone: (the online shop I order my pieces)

price per piece
Ambra (Submarine) 0,19$
Luca Tarigo (Destroyer) 0,79$ OR Ugolino Vivaldi (DD) 0,39$
E.F. Duca D’Aosta (CL) 1,79$ OR Eugenio di Savoia (CL) 1,29$
Vittorio Veneto (BB) 7,99$ - are really big - the Giulio Cesare BB is a bit smaller but costs 8,99$
NO CARRIER AVAILABLE ATM
NO TRANSPORT AVAILABLE ATM

C.202 Folgore - fighter 1,39$ - a stand has 3planes that are molded together, but you might be able to cut them…
SM.79 Sparviero - twin engine Bomber 2.59$

Fucile Modello (infantry) 0,49$
47/32 Antitank Gun (Arty) 0,39$
Carro Armato M11/39 2,29$ - L3/35 Tankette 0,59$ (the latter is quite small and currently not available, the foremer relative big)

prices change wwith demand the Rusian Mosin Magant costs around 3 times the Fucile…

How much a nation costs depends largely on how many units of each type you probably will need…

Wow, thank you for those prices;  It looks like I’m sticking with plastic for now  :|

@Krieghund:

@captainjack:

@Krieghund:

@Corbeau:

Submarine: Can only be shot if there is a destroyer present in opposing fleet

Subs can only be hit by planes if there is a friendly destroyer in the battle.  Ships can hit subs anytime.

Really!?  I didn’t realize that.  So not even a DD can hit a sub??

You should read what you quoted again.

WOW!!   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
I can’t tell you how many times I read that line and what my eyes kept seeing was “ships can’t hit subs anymore”
HAHAHA… oops.

@Krieghund:

@timerover51:

2.  Same situation as above, except the UK player also sends a fighter/bomber along in the attack.  The cruiser is sunk by the first strike of the UK sub.  Does the U-boat protect the transport, even though it cannot engage the aircraft, and the aircraft cannot engage it?

No.  Since the sub and planes can’t engage each other, the transport is defenseless.

True enough but i don’t see why the german would choose the cruiser to take the first strike instead of it’s sub.

The British better get another one. 3 ICs makes Russia stronger than in any previous A&A game.

@Krieghund:

In a standard game, it takes 15 VCs to win.  Optionally, you may play to 13 or 18 VCs.

Practically the VC system is “worthless” in the standard game. You only have to defend 4 countries not to loose which is North America (EUS, WUS, ECA) & UK for the allies. But with the bonus system the advantage of someone with 14 VC will be so overwhelming that you should better give up. Digging in UK & North America simply does not make sence any more. Nevertheless, this example shows that one should better play to less than 15 VC in “standard” games as there are always some guys who want to play to the bitter end!

I am beginning to wonder if the Heavy Bomber rule that has some people bent so out of shape is in there to compensate for the large boost that attaining National Objectives gives the Axis.  As a guess, it is going to be easier for the Axis to attain their objectives, and more productive to them than for the Allies to attain their objectives, which do not appear to give them anywhere the same boost.

Yeah, didn’t see that thread was moved back until after I posted, but I thought I had seen mention of a UK bonus for controlling sea zones somewhere other than Lynxes’ post, such as one of the people that posted after seeing the game at Gen Con, I suppose I was mistaken though.

yea his comments are crap. typical just typical.

no sorry. Ask Krieg.

@HolKann:

Hmm, as far as I can tell, this will be how the game will more or less go:
Ger vs. Rus ofcourse
Ita vs. Brit in Africa and Med
Usa vs. Jap in Pacific

Apart from some India or a few American trannies in the Atlantic, the game seems designed to give every nation a direct opponent. Might get very interesting indeed…

What about Germany vs. Russia (obviously) and UK in Africa (Let Italy pick up territories to increase low income.) and maybe US for Atlantic Ocean
Italy vs. UK in Africa and Russia (would need some transports to get to Caucusus)
Japan vs. US for naval supremacy in the Pacific and UK in India (assuming there is an IC in India).

@timerover51:

@Krieghund:

Chinese units can’t leave China.  However, they may enter Hong Kong.

Since in many respects, China is played closer to the historic reality, I am not sure that I would agree with that.  In 1944, Chinese units were moved into Northern Burma as part of the Allied offensive to clear Northern Burma and get the Ledo Road into operation.  You also had Merrill’s Marauders in operation there as well.  Once the Northern Burma area had been cleared, the British-Indian forces proceeded to clear the rest of Burma, using a fair number of tanks units in the process once they got clear of the mountainous terrain.  This is one area where it would be nice to have some terrain effects, as the Assam-Northern Burma area and the Assam-Burma border is some of the worst terrain in the world to fight in or try to conduct military operations through.  It is not totally impassable, like the Sahara Desert or Himalayan Mountains, just very close to it.

Please recall that the game rules are probably to facilitate game play moreso than to ignore the historical reality of what happened.  Maybe you can incorporate a house rule that says something like ‘after round 10, the chinese units are no longer restricted to China’

Substitute whatever round you want, I just chose 10 for an example.

The game mechanics for sure evolved, but I rather put my hands on the game before giving my final words… we’ll see…